Victoria Copper Issue (1838 - 60)

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Enter the world of varieties, some researched and some unresearched. Quite apart from colon, full stop and unbarred A varieties (as yet all waiting for analysis), you may want to check your collections to see if you have unwittingly already got some of these : 1839 and 1840 2 Prongs to trident, 1842 Large 42, 1843 Roman I, 1843/2, 1845 Large Date, 1847 Proof, 1850 5/3 or 5/4, 1851 D/sideways D, 1851 Roman I, 1852 2/2, 1853/2, 1856 E/R, 1858 SD, 1858 1/1. And someone might discover 1848 or 1849 or 1854 with obverse 2 (head close to lettering), which may be still waiting to be discovered.

PictureDate DESCRIPTION Price  
Click here to view picture 1864 Copper issue. BMC 1589 (this piece). Reverse upright. Proof in Copper. With a raised numeral 1 before incuse WW on truncation. We only know of three specimens:- a) British Museum b) Mint Museum (photographed in Peck) c) this piece. This piece is ex-Virgil Brand and E. M. H. Norweb (19.11.1986, SCA 56, lot 1106) collections and as far as we know, it is the only specimen available to commerce. It is not for sale but included here so that collectors can view a really rare and unusual Farthing. Not for sale
Click here to view picture 1860 Pattern Gold Farthing. BMC 2166. Wilson & Rasmussen 400 (R6). Freeman 899 (R20). By Ludwig C. Lauer for Adolph Weyl. Edge Plain. Probably Unique and the only example available to commerce. FDC excessively rare. Ex. Murdoch Collection Part III, lot 538 Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Currency issue. BMC 1588. It is Uncirculated with some red and pink lustre. Excessively rare..... We know of only around seven specimens, including the proof version (see below). We acquired this piece in 1985. It had no pedigree attached to it at that time. It was sold to a private collector but we have now managed to reacquire it. Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Currency issue. BMC 1588. Excessively rare........ we know of only around seven specimens, including the 'proof' version (see below). Another, as above. Acquired at the same time as the piece above, again with no previous, known provenance. It is Uncirculated with an even brown patina. It was sold to a private collector. It is included here so that collectors can view another example of this really rare and unusual Farthing. Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Currency issue. BMC 1588. Excessively rare........ we know of only around seven specimens, including the 'proof' version (see below). Another, as above. All three of these currency pieces show a weakness in striking quality, particularly on Britannia's breastplate, in marked contrast to the proof version (see below). We acquired this piece from the Colin Allerton collection (North Carolina, USA) in early 1993, having previously sold it to him in March 1990 (List 11) for £3900. It is Uncirculated with traces of red lustre. It was sold to a private collector. It is included here so that collectors can view another example of this really rare and unusual Farthing. Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Copper issue. Proof striking showing proof quality surfaces and much sharper, well-defined, full detail. Excessively rare. We acquired this piece in 1986. It had no pedigree attached to it at that time. It has a tiny spot in front of the mouth, otherwise it is in perfect condition with a lovely bluey tone. It is included here so that collectors can view a really rare and unusual Farthing. Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Another Proof, as above. We acquired this piece from the Hopetoun (Hopetown ?) House collection (SCA 68, 22nd March 1989 Lot 675). We sold this coin off List 8 (1989) for ?4190, subsequently re-acquiring it. It has a small edge knock on the obverse at 2pm, otherwise it is Choice with pinkish lustre. It is included here so that collectors can view another example of this really rare and unusual Farthing. (Now in a private collection in Derbyshire, in April 2002.) Sold
Click here to view picture 1860 Another Proof, as above. We previously sold this coin from List 9 (1989, ?3650), re-acquiring it from the Dr Terry Aitken collection (Canada). We then re-sold it from List 28 (?4100), subsequently re-acquiring the coin from the Peter Bateman collection (Bonhams 1998). After listing it recently on List 40 (late 2000), it was sold to a private collector. Sold

Note on 1858:

The Large Date is commonest. The vertical stroke of the 5 is often missing, making it seem like 1838 but the portraits are different and 1838 is W.W. raised whereas 1858 is WW incuse, which should help identification. There are a number of different dies used for the Large Date variety.

The Small Date really is very rare and is an important Peck "miss". The first we saw was in 1972 in the Dr Johnstone collection but he had only acquired it after Peck's book was written. We have seen about 20 specimens in total, over the last 27 years but only two in high grade. A detailed description of this variety appeared on our List 35. Both varieties were photographed on our List 36. Added feature : The Small Date type always has just the last 8 out of alignment, being significantly higher than the other three digits. This is clearly visible in the photograph below and it has never yet been seen on any Large Date 1858. Therefore, this feature can be used to distinguish SD from LD with absolute certainty.

PictureDate DESCRIPTION Price  
1858 Large Date (Normal). VF £12.00
1857 Near Fine £2.00
Click here to view picture 1857 GVF £25.00
Click here to view picture 1856 Near EF, rare £70.00
Click here to view picture 1856 E/R in VICTORIA (many catalogues have this incorrectly listed as R/E). Fine, very rare and extremely clear. £65.00
Click here to view picture 1856 E/R in VICTORIA (many catalogues have this incorrectly listed as R/E). Near VF, very rare and extremely clear. £110.00
Click here to view picture 1856 E/R in VICTORIA (many catalogues have this incorrectly listed as R/E). VF/GVF £155.00
Click here to view picture 1856 E/R in VICTORIA (many catalogues have this incorrectly listed as R/E). Choice GEF Sold
Click here to view picture 1855 WW Incuse (Rare). VF £30.00
Click here to view picture 1855 WW Incuse (Rare). Bold GVF £48.00
Click here to view picture 1855 WW Incuse (Rare). BMC 1581. GEF, very minor rim bruise on obverse. Rare £60.00
Click here to view picture 1855 WW Incuse (Rare). GEF £85.00
Click here to view picture 1855 WW Raised (Very rare). GVF £55.00
1854 Near VF, some verdigris on both sides £3.00
1853 WW Raised. Near VF £3.00
1853 WW Incuse (Rare). Fine £6.50
1853 WW Incuse (Rare). GF £8.00
Click here to view picture 1853 WW Incuse (Rare). GVF £60.00
Click here to view picture 1853 WW Incuse (Rare). Near EF £70.00
Click here to view picture 1853 WW Incuse (Rare). Choice GEF fields prooflike £150.00
Click here to view picture 1852 VF, very rare £60.00
1850 GF £8.00
Click here to view picture 1850 5 over 4 in the date. Near VF, couple of verdigris spots on reverse. £25.00
Click here to view picture 1850 5 over 4 in the date. GVF £75.00
Click here to view picture 1849 Near Fine, rare £25.00
Click here to view picture 1849 EF, very rare £250.00
Click here to view picture 1849 Choice Unc traces of lustre, extremely rare in this condition.
Slabbed by NGC as MS63
£725.00
1848 Fine £5.00
Click here to view picture 1848 Unc good lustre Sold
1847 Fine £5.00
Click here to view picture 1846 GVF £40.00
Click here to view picture 1846 From a small hoard of around 80 coins, these 1846 are all Almost Uncirculated and exhibit some original colour but they all have patchy toning. The appearance is of having been in the back of a fire grate or chimney at some time. They were found recently in Plymouth. For a rare date to turn up as a small hoard like this is indeed a rare event. They come in two varieties: a) with a small, neat 4 in the date and b) with a much larger 4, the result of the 4 being re-cut over a higher 4. £45.00

Note on 1845:

Both Large Date and Small date exist. The Large Date type is extremely rare.

For the Small Date, there are two minor varieties:

Type A: 8 of date is upright. Scarcer.

Type B: 8 of date is tilted to the left. Commoner.

In addition, it is worth noting that there are THREE different sizes of the 1845 date. One is huge and extremely rare, the 4 being higher than the other numbers. The normal size is small, only half the size of the Large Date and the same size as in 1844. The other is a very tiny bit larger than the "small date" but not really big enough to be called "medium". This "near medium" size needs further study in relation to Types A and B above. For the moment, this "near medium" size is included under "Small Date".

PictureDate DESCRIPTION Price  
1845 Small Date. Type B. Near Fine, slight damage on 18 of date. £2.00
1845 Small Date. Type B. GF, corroded £2.00
1845 Small Date. Type B. VF £15.00
Click here to view picture 1845 Small Date. Type B. GEF traces of lustre £75.00
Click here to view picture 1845 Large Datal figures. Fine, couple of edge bruises. Extremely Rare £95.00
Click here to view picture 1844 Near Fine, extremely rare £60.00
Click here to view picture 1844 Near Fine, extremely rare £60.00
Click here to view picture 1844 Fine, extremely rare £70.00
1843 Unbarred A's in GRATIA, but with two serifs on B of BRITANNIAR. About VF £8.00
Click here to view picture 1843 Barred A's in GRATIA, but with two serifs on B of BRITANNIAR. GVF £20.00
Click here to view picture 1843 Barred A's in GRATIA, but with only a lower serif on B. GEF with good lustre £55.00
Click here to view picture 1843 Barred A's in GRATIA, but with only a lower serif on B. A/Unc with a trace of lustre £55.00
Click here to view picture 1843 3 over 2 in date. BMC --. Poor only, very rare.
(From same die as recently discovered 1843/2 sovereign die)
£25.00
Click here to view picture 1842 Type A. Near VF, rare £32.00
Click here to view picture 1842 Type A. GEF £95.00
1841 Fine £4.00
1841 NVF £10.00
1840 DEF: (Colon) (Normal). Wide Date. Fine £4.00
Click here to view picture 1840 DEF: (Colon) (Normal). Wide Date. EF/GEF £65.00
Click here to view picture 1840 DEF: (Colon) (Normal). Wide Date. Unc toned £85.00
1840 DEF: (Colon) (Normal). Compressed Date. Fair £2.00
Click here to view picture 1839 3 Prongs to Trident. DEF:(colon). Near EF £22.00
1839 3 Prongs to Trident. DEF.(stop not colon). VF £7.50
Click here to view picture 1839 3 Prongs to Trident. DEF.(stop not colon). EF £40.00
1839 2 Prongs to Trident. Fine £9.00
1839 2 Prongs to Trident. Fine £9.00
1839 2 Prongs to Trident. GF £12.00
Click here to view picture 1839 2 Prongs to Trident. EF £50.00
Click here to view picture 1839 2 Prongs to Trident. Unc a trace of lustre on the reverse £95.00
Click here to view picture 1839 2 Prongs to Trident. BMC 1554. Unc lustre, more so on reverse. £115.00
1838 DEF.(Normal). GF £8.00

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